1 00:00:12,580 --> 00:00:09,080 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:16,430 --> 00:00:12,590 from Australia for science and reason 3 00:00:27,019 --> 00:00:16,440 yuria hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan 4 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:27,029 psycho hello Richard Stephanie I'm 5 00:00:31,250 --> 00:00:28,890 afraid you're looking a bit worried to 6 00:00:33,860 --> 00:00:31,260 me I'm very concerned are you this is 7 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:33,870 the final year of existence of the 8 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:38,730 entire universe ah again I'm very 9 00:00:43,790 --> 00:00:41,610 concerned I'm preparing I'm making 10 00:00:48,470 --> 00:00:43,800 preparations I'm tying up all my loose 11 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:48,480 ends are you yeah 2012 2012 2012 I don't 12 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:50,610 or yeah this little tiny planet in the 13 00:00:56,689 --> 00:00:52,890 on a spiral arm of a galaxy the meal I 14 00:00:58,069 --> 00:00:56,699 weird off is pale blue dog from here the 15 00:00:59,959 --> 00:00:58,079 entire universe is just going to vanish 16 00:01:02,660 --> 00:00:59,969 from here there from here because the 17 00:01:05,030 --> 00:01:02,670 Frog from our perspective you mean the 18 00:01:08,050 --> 00:01:05,040 epicenter will be planet Earth well well 19 00:01:11,330 --> 00:01:08,060 no the epicenter is cutted my brain hi 20 00:01:13,490 --> 00:01:11,340 talking about pale blue dot I love 21 00:01:15,859 --> 00:01:13,500 Stefan hello good evening and it's great 22 00:01:18,140 --> 00:01:15,869 to be here yeah back in the skeptic 23 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:18,150 sound good to see you again and 2012 and 24 00:01:24,770 --> 00:01:20,250 what episode is it he wouldn't believe 25 00:01:28,999 --> 00:01:24,780 this it's 168 now you make you assume ur 26 00:01:32,410 --> 00:01:29,009 ology that means actually 160th about 27 00:01:37,550 --> 00:01:32,420 that in base 10 mathematics as well Wow 28 00:01:39,770 --> 00:01:37,560 168 16.8 if you're doing it my every 10 29 00:01:42,410 --> 00:01:39,780 episode if you see ID well see my ipod 30 00:01:44,300 --> 00:01:42,420 only sort of it only loads up the last 31 00:01:46,580 --> 00:01:44,310 10 episodes and I need this get to 32 00:01:48,889 --> 00:01:46,590 listen to one so thats about 60.8 that 33 00:01:51,109 --> 00:01:48,899 I've actually ago for 22 isn't that 34 00:01:53,569 --> 00:01:51,119 great to be in any another year and I 35 00:01:55,550 --> 00:01:53,579 was just looking at the skeptics own 36 00:01:57,730 --> 00:01:55,560 website the other day and I realized 37 00:02:00,800 --> 00:01:57,740 that the skeptic zone has now been 38 00:02:05,319 --> 00:02:00,810 broadcast if you like or out out there 39 00:02:08,630 --> 00:02:05,329 in five different years 2008 2009 2010 40 00:02:09,650 --> 00:02:08,640 11 and now Wow just remember though I 41 00:02:10,940 --> 00:02:09,660 thought you don't say five different 42 00:02:12,470 --> 00:02:10,950 languages i was gonna say who's been 43 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:12,480 translating this stuff 44 00:02:17,030 --> 00:02:14,730 I heard around the world cup speaking of 45 00:02:21,020 --> 00:02:17,040 different leaders and we have a lot of 46 00:02:22,820 --> 00:02:21,030 fans in norway norway no way and so many 47 00:02:24,380 --> 00:02:22,830 fans in norway that we're going to be 48 00:02:27,199 --> 00:02:24,390 speaking in this episode to the 49 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:27,209 president of the Norwegian skeptics wow 50 00:02:30,740 --> 00:02:29,370 that's interesting I actually know 51 00:02:32,479 --> 00:02:30,750 someone a few people have been tannoy 52 00:02:36,020 --> 00:02:32,489 because Norway for some reason is very 53 00:02:39,530 --> 00:02:36,030 big with rotary and I is a very proud 54 00:02:41,030 --> 00:02:39,540 right Aryan half half the time they send 55 00:02:42,920 --> 00:02:41,040 a few exchange students there and then 56 00:02:45,199 --> 00:02:42,930 so yeah we've actually got a norwegian 57 00:02:48,530 --> 00:02:45,209 girl staying with our club at the moment 58 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:48,540 and interestingly yeah they are from 59 00:02:52,069 --> 00:02:50,010 what I could tell they are actually 60 00:02:53,539 --> 00:02:52,079 quite a few climate skeptics in Norway I 61 00:02:54,830 --> 00:02:53,549 think well they're everywhere aren't 62 00:02:57,229 --> 00:02:54,840 they yeah but in Norway you would think 63 00:02:59,089 --> 00:02:57,239 that there'd be quite noticeable changes 64 00:03:00,530 --> 00:02:59,099 and they say not nothing they're hoping 65 00:03:03,069 --> 00:03:00,540 for it and they can know where they're 66 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:03,079 hoping for I don't limit out of you this 67 00:03:09,289 --> 00:03:05,970 last one person I'm sure is not hoping 68 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:09,299 for dramatic climate change is change is 69 00:03:13,009 --> 00:03:11,250 a merit simonson who is the president 70 00:03:17,659 --> 00:03:13,019 and merit will be talking to us about 71 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:17,669 get this yes SSSs dead fish if from 72 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:20,010 Norway a water topic actually that's a 73 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:22,290 fantastic topic thousands are dead they 74 00:03:27,500 --> 00:03:25,010 watch 20 tons of dead herring 75 00:03:30,770 --> 00:03:27,510 mysteriously washed up on beaches in 76 00:03:33,140 --> 00:03:30,780 Norway did you say dead or red Debbie I 77 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:33,150 sorry not a very my hearings going they 78 00:03:37,789 --> 00:03:34,410 might have been a red and I think they 79 00:03:39,229 --> 00:03:37,799 were there and then vanished but they 80 00:03:40,879 --> 00:03:39,239 washed up and been in Spanish maybe 81 00:03:43,339 --> 00:03:40,889 they're eaten by the Norwegians I don't 82 00:03:45,140 --> 00:03:43,349 know maybe merit will be able to help us 83 00:03:48,229 --> 00:03:45,150 out here I hope so because it sounds a 84 00:03:49,610 --> 00:03:48,239 bit like Photoshop to me we will find a 85 00:03:52,460 --> 00:03:49,620 baby you know what this was over New 86 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:52,470 Year's Eve right and in the little town 87 00:03:58,640 --> 00:03:55,410 of B he Arkansas all those birds fall 88 00:04:01,309 --> 00:03:58,650 out of the skies birds fellow I actually 89 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:01,319 do not like fireworks I mean it won't 90 00:04:05,629 --> 00:04:02,970 gets all excited about him but really 91 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:05,639 did that nasty things I used to like 92 00:04:08,809 --> 00:04:06,930 them when I was a kid because when you 93 00:04:10,670 --> 00:04:08,819 and I were kids we had firecracker night 94 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:10,680 here in Australia remember that DIY 95 00:04:15,379 --> 00:04:12,810 fireworks and people got their hands 96 00:04:17,449 --> 00:04:15,389 blown over study yeah I got blinded him 97 00:04:19,349 --> 00:04:17,459 on either the government been that many 98 00:04:21,539 --> 00:04:19,359 years ago but i still remember 99 00:04:23,939 --> 00:04:21,549 that wonderful smell of gunpowder and 100 00:04:26,270 --> 00:04:23,949 when I used to live in Germany 20 years 101 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:26,280 ago in fact this year I lived in Germany 102 00:04:31,350 --> 00:04:29,530 when they had New Year's Eve hmm all 103 00:04:34,529 --> 00:04:31,360 these for the bio as I remembered from 104 00:04:36,719 --> 00:04:34,539 when I was a kid and pop pop poppin are 105 00:04:38,429 --> 00:04:36,729 the smell of gunpowder but you can get 106 00:04:40,140 --> 00:04:38,439 that smell in a laboratory anytime you 107 00:04:41,610 --> 00:04:40,150 like you just got to turn up and I'm not 108 00:04:44,850 --> 00:04:41,620 gonna do and say hey I need to hit a gun 109 00:04:46,050 --> 00:04:44,860 pad and I'll give it to you I haven't if 110 00:04:47,850 --> 00:04:46,060 you pay them enough if you pay them 111 00:04:49,559 --> 00:04:47,860 enough I haven't seen the big fireworks 112 00:04:51,719 --> 00:04:49,569 here in Sydney for a few years now but 113 00:04:53,879 --> 00:04:51,729 you know what I've seen lots of viola I 114 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:53,889 actually had a front-row seat I was at 115 00:04:58,649 --> 00:04:56,650 cremorne point these fireworks and these 116 00:05:01,769 --> 00:04:58,659 fireworks this New Year's Eve yeah yeah 117 00:05:04,980 --> 00:05:01,779 and yet it was big but it just doesn't 118 00:05:06,959 --> 00:05:04,990 doesn't float the boat anymore but if 119 00:05:08,790 --> 00:05:06,969 people like going to see if I works good 120 00:05:11,339 --> 00:05:08,800 on it good on I mean I've enjoyed our 121 00:05:13,499 --> 00:05:11,349 happy new year to all these people so 122 00:05:15,899 --> 00:05:13,509 what's happening this episode apart from 123 00:05:17,129 --> 00:05:15,909 the fish of course a mud from the dead 124 00:05:18,990 --> 00:05:17,139 official be there but if we could do a 125 00:05:20,309 --> 00:05:19,000 whole episode of dead animals here only 126 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:20,319 that all fireworks scene was a red 127 00:05:25,439 --> 00:05:22,930 herring ah anyway yes besides the fish 128 00:05:27,329 --> 00:05:25,449 but we have more dead things with a very 129 00:05:31,290 --> 00:05:27,339 lively person if I can put it that way 130 00:05:34,589 --> 00:05:31,300 we have a new reporter yen each and 131 00:05:38,070 --> 00:05:34,599 Penny Chan from Los Angeles ah from when 132 00:05:40,829 --> 00:05:38,080 they call it la la land luck Los Angeles 133 00:05:42,450 --> 00:05:40,839 soon find out she's our brand new 134 00:05:44,249 --> 00:05:42,460 reporter on the skeptic zone and her 135 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:44,259 first report she's speaking to a really 136 00:05:49,469 --> 00:05:45,849 interesting blog by the name of Doug 137 00:05:51,869 --> 00:05:49,479 goodrow who works at the Los Angeles 138 00:05:55,019 --> 00:05:51,879 Museum of Natural History mm-hmm doing 139 00:05:57,899 --> 00:05:55,029 up fossils using his skills as a makeup 140 00:06:02,010 --> 00:05:57,909 artist and a mortician and makeup artist 141 00:06:03,269 --> 00:06:02,020 and mortician yeah how about that hey 142 00:06:05,100 --> 00:06:03,279 that's pretty good that's a bit of a 143 00:06:06,749 --> 00:06:05,110 challenge for our first time reporter 144 00:06:08,459 --> 00:06:06,759 straight off the bat oh she's going 145 00:06:10,829 --> 00:06:08,469 straight into the deep end you know they 146 00:06:12,329 --> 00:06:10,839 do port for penny that's coming up in 147 00:06:14,700 --> 00:06:12,339 the middle of the show and I must say 148 00:06:16,469 --> 00:06:14,710 I've heard a tiny tiny tiny sneak 149 00:06:17,999 --> 00:06:16,479 preview of it and she sounds great it 150 00:06:20,010 --> 00:06:18,009 sounds like a good report does oh yes 151 00:06:22,290 --> 00:06:20,020 and the skeptic zone welcome sir aboard 152 00:06:24,510 --> 00:06:22,300 thank you Stefan Thank You penny you 153 00:06:26,939 --> 00:06:24,520 can't wait to hear more from penny of 154 00:06:28,949 --> 00:06:26,949 course and to wrap up the show we have a 155 00:06:32,020 --> 00:06:28,959 little funny sort of a think tank 156 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:32,030 segment that dr. HC myself and 157 00:06:37,420 --> 00:06:34,610 mad Maynard may not did at the ABC 158 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:37,430 Studios here in solution we've just 159 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:39,410 finished recording a couple of episodes 160 00:06:44,590 --> 00:06:41,810 of the brand new show for ABC radio in 161 00:06:48,100 --> 00:06:44,600 Australia the dirty disbelievers that's 162 00:06:51,310 --> 00:06:48,110 going out tonight was p.m. on your ABC 163 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:51,320 local radio check your guides for 164 00:06:55,630 --> 00:06:53,690 details but fear not fear not if you 165 00:06:57,850 --> 00:06:55,640 missed the show or you live overseas you 166 00:06:59,710 --> 00:06:57,860 can pick it up online it'll be an online 167 00:07:02,620 --> 00:06:59,720 thing and it's fantastic is actually 168 00:07:04,060 --> 00:07:02,630 either well not many people know what 169 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:04,070 happens in Australia but the ABC is 170 00:07:07,900 --> 00:07:06,530 actually very big huge it goes regional 171 00:07:09,070 --> 00:07:07,910 yeah it's right across the coach world 172 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:09,080 it's the national think it's the 173 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:10,970 national broadcaster and made out of 174 00:07:14,590 --> 00:07:13,130 course is very famous in Australia for 175 00:07:16,450 --> 00:07:14,600 having worked for many years on the 176 00:07:18,070 --> 00:07:16,460 national broadcast so is this like you 177 00:07:19,450 --> 00:07:18,080 are you actually jumping ship is the 178 00:07:20,940 --> 00:07:19,460 skeptics i'm going to die now and you 179 00:07:24,460 --> 00:07:20,950 just got to become a dirty disbeliever 180 00:07:26,740 --> 00:07:24,470 well depends on how what pays better now 181 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:26,750 it's not stable and this is just a fun 182 00:07:30,370 --> 00:07:28,850 thing it's a fun sideline and of course 183 00:07:32,470 --> 00:07:30,380 don't forget and I was just showing you 184 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:32,480 a little bit earlier menos thermometer 185 00:07:39,220 --> 00:07:34,970 oh you may not says don't use it 186 00:07:41,380 --> 00:07:39,230 internally and this is reyna duh and we 187 00:07:43,750 --> 00:07:41,390 will thank our listeners from now until 188 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:43,760 the end of the one of the world's later 189 00:07:50,050 --> 00:07:46,490 see them for chipping in to help us get 190 00:07:52,570 --> 00:07:50,060 Maynard to tam 10 in july this year las 191 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:52,580 vegas we've got over half the funds we 192 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:53,930 need to get Maynard that plane ticket 193 00:07:57,100 --> 00:07:55,730 yeah and that's pretty cataclysm so 194 00:07:59,320 --> 00:07:57,110 that's that that's pretty good I think 195 00:08:01,330 --> 00:07:59,330 it'll be money well spent absolutely 196 00:08:03,310 --> 00:08:01,340 looking forward to that thank you again 197 00:08:04,870 --> 00:08:03,320 listeners who chip in a dollar week a 198 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:04,880 lot of people chip in a dollar week and 199 00:08:08,140 --> 00:08:06,410 that really helps us and every now and 200 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:08,150 then we got very generous listeners who 201 00:08:12,310 --> 00:08:09,770 throw maybe a hundred or two hundred 202 00:08:16,210 --> 00:08:12,320 dollars out it does go straight into the 203 00:08:18,190 --> 00:08:16,220 skeptic zone / Maynard's plane ticket 204 00:08:19,630 --> 00:08:18,200 fun here and if you don't give it to us 205 00:08:22,060 --> 00:08:19,640 and again they aren't like idea or 206 00:08:23,530 --> 00:08:22,070 electricity bill your insurance or 207 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:23,540 something well you know you gotta eat or 208 00:08:27,340 --> 00:08:25,610 something so yeah I mean yeah there's 209 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:27,350 better things to do much better fit yeah 210 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:29,690 skipped exam well let's get on with it 211 00:08:53,390 --> 00:08:51,350 yes it might be it might be raining 212 00:08:56,269 --> 00:08:53,400 pennies from heaven in some parts of the 213 00:09:00,170 --> 00:08:56,279 world but in no way it's raining fish 214 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:00,180 from the ocean fish from the ocean and 215 00:09:04,370 --> 00:09:02,010 the delightful giggle you can hear in 216 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:04,380 the background is none other than Marit 217 00:09:09,230 --> 00:09:06,570 Simonson who is the president of the 218 00:09:12,350 --> 00:09:09,240 Norwegian skeptics hello merit hello 219 00:09:13,790 --> 00:09:12,360 Richard how are you today I think I'm 220 00:09:15,710 --> 00:09:13,800 better than the people in Norway you 221 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:15,720 have to put up with lots of fish washing 222 00:09:20,300 --> 00:09:17,250 up on their oceans and there's lots of 223 00:09:22,370 --> 00:09:20,310 mystery around this now just to remind 224 00:09:24,530 --> 00:09:22,380 our listeners on New Year's Eve I think 225 00:09:26,140 --> 00:09:24,540 it was on new year's day hundreds and 226 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:26,150 hundreds and thousands of herring 227 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:28,890 mysteriously washed up on the beaches in 228 00:09:34,090 --> 00:09:30,930 our northern norway i think is that 229 00:09:36,860 --> 00:09:34,100 right yeah very very very fine horse 230 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:36,870 pretty much you know not a lot of people 231 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:40,530 up there and yeah far north that's 232 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:43,290 that's incredible and what what do you 233 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:46,770 think caused this unusual event and did 234 00:09:52,730 --> 00:09:48,930 the local Norwegians take advantage with 235 00:09:54,110 --> 00:09:52,740 getting free fish I think generally when 236 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:54,120 there are a lot of dead fish people 237 00:09:58,940 --> 00:09:56,850 worry about disease so I don't think 238 00:10:00,170 --> 00:09:58,950 people exactly started harvesting but 239 00:10:02,770 --> 00:10:00,180 there are a lot of delightful pictures 240 00:10:05,180 --> 00:10:02,780 of dogs running around and slipping and 241 00:10:07,340 --> 00:10:05,190 flank playing among all the slippery 242 00:10:09,740 --> 00:10:07,350 dead fish but i don't know i think i 243 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:09,750 think most people are getting kind of 244 00:10:15,500 --> 00:10:13,050 used to mass death and it's being just 245 00:10:16,670 --> 00:10:15,510 being a regular biological phenomena so 246 00:10:20,420 --> 00:10:16,680 even though it got reported in all the 247 00:10:22,940 --> 00:10:20,430 papers other papers checked with experts 248 00:10:24,770 --> 00:10:22,950 biologists ecologists and they said that 249 00:10:26,810 --> 00:10:24,780 you know these things are natural events 250 00:10:29,210 --> 00:10:26,820 and there they usually have natural 251 00:10:30,829 --> 00:10:29,220 explanations and if we have the 252 00:10:31,820 --> 00:10:30,839 opportunity to investigate then we can 253 00:10:34,190 --> 00:10:31,830 usually come up with a really good 254 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:34,200 explanation of why this happened now 255 00:10:39,079 --> 00:10:36,330 that some of the ones I i noticed that 256 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:39,089 we're being reported was at that time 257 00:10:43,699 --> 00:10:41,610 despite sheer coincidence well of course 258 00:10:45,500 --> 00:10:43,709 all the cause maybe of the fish 259 00:10:49,730 --> 00:10:45,510 stranding themselves a while 260 00:10:53,150 --> 00:10:49,740 old wild storms yeah yeah we've had some 261 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:53,160 crazy weather here lately um but I think 262 00:10:59,090 --> 00:10:55,370 that was just one of the hypotheses that 263 00:11:02,180 --> 00:10:59,100 was brought up the other main hypotheses 264 00:11:05,180 --> 00:11:02,190 were actually that it was an area with a 265 00:11:07,250 --> 00:11:05,190 very shallow water and the the herrings 266 00:11:09,530 --> 00:11:07,260 might have been scared up on in the 267 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:09,540 shallow end by some predators and then 268 00:11:14,420 --> 00:11:11,970 being trapped there and there was also 269 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:14,430 like a freshwater river let pours out 270 00:11:22,730 --> 00:11:16,290 into the same area so they might have 271 00:11:25,850 --> 00:11:22,740 been all basically round and round in 272 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:25,860 freshwater how strange is done yeah I 273 00:11:29,570 --> 00:11:27,450 did I did see that one of the 274 00:11:32,030 --> 00:11:29,580 photographs you are referring to and in 275 00:11:34,190 --> 00:11:32,040 fact I think if listeners Google mass 276 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:34,200 death herring know where they'll see it 277 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:37,290 the very famous picture with a dog a dog 278 00:11:40,550 --> 00:11:39,210 sitting on the fish or running on the 279 00:11:45,860 --> 00:11:40,560 first year I don't think it would be to 280 00:11:48,350 --> 00:11:45,870 to edible after that yeah unfortunately 281 00:11:49,850 --> 00:11:48,360 I don't think anyone got any samples 282 00:11:52,730 --> 00:11:49,860 because that's not a natural reaction 283 00:11:53,750 --> 00:11:52,740 for people to do so the biologists when 284 00:11:56,570 --> 00:11:53,760 they got there was too late they 285 00:12:00,170 --> 00:11:56,580 couldn't really um get samples to make 286 00:12:02,390 --> 00:12:00,180 the right experiments and see what was 287 00:12:04,190 --> 00:12:02,400 really the cause they were already 288 00:12:07,010 --> 00:12:04,200 starting to decompose by the time the 289 00:12:08,450 --> 00:12:07,020 scientists got there oh okay yes I can 290 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:08,460 understand why they wouldn't be rushing 291 00:12:13,900 --> 00:12:11,130 around there with their freezer bags 292 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:13,910 ready to take how the whole of free fish 293 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:17,970 exactly it is a strange occurrence to 294 00:12:23,300 --> 00:12:20,490 happen uh do you get many strange things 295 00:12:26,390 --> 00:12:23,310 happening in no way that like like fish 296 00:12:29,210 --> 00:12:26,400 stranding themselves or deer running 297 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:29,220 into things or whatever well we we did 298 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:33,210 have an albino elk once but he was 299 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:35,730 killed by some Danish hunters other than 300 00:12:41,150 --> 00:12:38,010 that no it's it's pretty it's pretty uh 301 00:12:43,660 --> 00:12:41,160 normal up here but of course there are 302 00:12:47,210 --> 00:12:43,670 some conspiracy theories running around 303 00:12:48,950 --> 00:12:47,220 about what caused this there are there's 304 00:12:52,370 --> 00:12:48,960 just one website yes there's this one 305 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:52,380 website that sort of collects all the 306 00:12:57,580 --> 00:12:54,930 conspiracy theories and strange ideas 307 00:12:59,680 --> 00:12:57,590 floating around in Norway and 308 00:13:01,780 --> 00:12:59,690 they naturally had their own theories 309 00:13:04,390 --> 00:13:01,790 about what really happened with the fish 310 00:13:09,100 --> 00:13:04,400 and they're reporting like mass deaths 311 00:13:10,810 --> 00:13:09,110 of pigeons and birds and crows and 312 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:10,820 pelicans from all over the world and 313 00:13:20,500 --> 00:13:13,450 claiming that this is something 314 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:20,510 happening at new extreme rates that 315 00:13:25,060 --> 00:13:23,450 hasn't happened before ah yes well 316 00:13:27,090 --> 00:13:25,070 they're always believed in spirits and 317 00:13:29,830 --> 00:13:27,100 of course because there have been other 318 00:13:32,530 --> 00:13:29,840 deaths around new years especially in 319 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:32,540 America where all these black birds died 320 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:36,050 yeah in in the state of Arkansas on New 321 00:13:41,230 --> 00:13:37,910 Year's Eve but it's pretty likely they 322 00:13:43,990 --> 00:13:41,240 were spooked by fireworks but I like I'd 323 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:44,000 sort of like the idea of Norway it 324 00:13:49,060 --> 00:13:46,970 reminds me strangely enough sometimes of 325 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:49,070 Australia simply because they're large 326 00:13:53,860 --> 00:13:50,810 bits of Australia which are pretty 327 00:13:56,680 --> 00:13:53,870 sparse and not many people go there or 328 00:13:58,300 --> 00:13:56,690 live there and will be the true would be 329 00:14:00,940 --> 00:13:58,310 truthful doorway I imagine up in the 330 00:14:04,150 --> 00:14:00,950 north definitely it's exactly the same 331 00:14:05,890 --> 00:14:04,160 and so very far between people and large 332 00:14:09,610 --> 00:14:05,900 distances that you had to travel just to 333 00:14:11,650 --> 00:14:09,620 get to the next city I love to 334 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:11,660 experience that especially not in the 335 00:14:18,340 --> 00:14:13,490 middle of winter maybe in the autumn 336 00:14:19,810 --> 00:14:18,350 before the snows come it's it's really 337 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:19,820 beautiful in the summer and in the women 338 00:14:25,660 --> 00:14:23,450 in Nepal and if you like to strap planks 339 00:14:27,610 --> 00:14:25,670 onto your feet such as skis and then 340 00:14:29,830 --> 00:14:27,620 you'll like it in the winter as well hi 341 00:14:31,810 --> 00:14:29,840 this is turning into a tourist ad for 342 00:14:34,030 --> 00:14:31,820 Norway but I always had a dream of doing 343 00:14:37,780 --> 00:14:34,040 one of those cruises up up the coast to 344 00:14:40,050 --> 00:14:37,790 visit the oh yeah that's uh quite a 345 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:40,060 beautiful trip as far as I can tell and 346 00:14:46,180 --> 00:14:43,370 actually they filmed the whole thing for 347 00:14:49,090 --> 00:14:46,190 five days recently in the summer and 348 00:14:52,300 --> 00:14:49,100 showed everything on TV it was a ram 349 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:52,310 o'clock coverage from that boat no yes 350 00:14:57,340 --> 00:14:54,290 it's available online i'll send you the 351 00:15:00,100 --> 00:14:57,350 link you know what merit i really think 352 00:15:01,780 --> 00:15:00,110 that you should think about a skeptics 353 00:15:02,890 --> 00:15:01,790 convention the norwegian skeptics 354 00:15:04,510 --> 00:15:02,900 convention you could have lots of 355 00:15:08,140 --> 00:15:04,520 international guests especially from 356 00:15:10,130 --> 00:15:08,150 australia well we do our own convention 357 00:15:12,500 --> 00:15:10,140 coming up in February 358 00:15:14,060 --> 00:15:12,510 but we aren't we aren't getting that 359 00:15:16,310 --> 00:15:14,070 many international a little speakers we 360 00:15:19,580 --> 00:15:16,320 have a Richard Wiseman coming to visit 361 00:15:20,780 --> 00:15:19,590 us from England no let me cool yeah and 362 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:20,790 then we have primarily Norwegian 363 00:15:25,940 --> 00:15:23,730 speakers so the cream of the crop of the 364 00:15:28,250 --> 00:15:25,950 skeptics in Norway are coming to talk 365 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:28,260 about urban topics well I was just about 366 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:29,730 to suggest you have you have a 367 00:15:36,140 --> 00:15:32,570 convention on a cruise ship I think 368 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:36,150 that's a good idea well James Randi 369 00:15:39,590 --> 00:15:37,890 Educational Foundation have done this 370 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:39,600 several times and I was lucky enough to 371 00:15:44,270 --> 00:15:42,450 be on one in Alaska some years ago it 372 00:15:46,190 --> 00:15:44,280 was a fantastic way to have a convention 373 00:15:47,750 --> 00:15:46,200 but I'm very excited to know that you're 374 00:15:50,210 --> 00:15:47,760 having a convention in February with 375 00:15:53,090 --> 00:15:50,220 Richard Wiseman who I know and it's a 376 00:15:55,700 --> 00:15:53,100 wonderful man a great speaker where are 377 00:15:59,510 --> 00:15:55,710 where is that being held it's being held 378 00:16:01,220 --> 00:15:59,520 on oslo at oslo congress hall and it's 379 00:16:03,290 --> 00:16:01,230 called the critical mass in norwegian 380 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:03,300 get it this kumusta so there's something 381 00:16:09,500 --> 00:16:07,410 for people to google and yeah it's going 382 00:16:12,740 --> 00:16:09,510 to be great we have a lot of prominent 383 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:12,750 speakers and come see us it's going to 384 00:16:17,750 --> 00:16:16,170 be wonderful yeah we had one in 2010 as 385 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:17,760 well and it was it was really really 386 00:16:21,260 --> 00:16:19,650 good it really fired up a lot of people 387 00:16:24,530 --> 00:16:21,270 to get engaged and involved in the 388 00:16:26,900 --> 00:16:24,540 skeptics moment well I saw the video 389 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:26,910 that was posted online when James Randi 390 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:31,530 spoken norway 2009 or 2010 i can't 391 00:16:36,830 --> 00:16:33,210 remember which year was or maybe was it 392 00:16:39,860 --> 00:16:36,840 yeah I was it was a 2011 and one well 393 00:16:42,170 --> 00:16:39,870 there you go and the whole way he spoke 394 00:16:43,820 --> 00:16:42,180 was packed absolutely filled and was 395 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:43,830 hundreds of people watching James Randi 396 00:16:48,410 --> 00:16:46,290 yeah it was wonderful I he'd filled up 397 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:48,420 every auditorium anyone to he went to 398 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:50,010 one and although we're about fifteen 399 00:16:53,210 --> 00:16:51,450 hundred people showed up for a thousand 400 00:16:54,260 --> 00:16:53,220 seat venue and the same thing happened 401 00:16:55,790 --> 00:16:54,270 in Tron I'm annenberg in which are 402 00:16:57,950 --> 00:16:55,800 smaller cities and smaller venues but 403 00:16:59,030 --> 00:16:57,960 still by about half the people that 404 00:17:01,730 --> 00:16:59,040 showed up how to be turned away at the 405 00:17:06,010 --> 00:17:01,740 door wow that's that's really good to 406 00:17:08,360 --> 00:17:06,020 hear so I also noticed but I look at the 407 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:08,370 statistics for the skeptic zone that we 408 00:17:12,410 --> 00:17:10,290 do have a lot of listeners in Norway and 409 00:17:15,530 --> 00:17:12,420 I'm very pleased so hello hello a 410 00:17:17,870 --> 00:17:15,540 special hello all our listeners in 411 00:17:21,350 --> 00:17:17,880 Norway and how can our listeners in 412 00:17:22,420 --> 00:17:21,360 Norway find out more about the Norwegian 413 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:22,430 skeptics 414 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:25,610 well I guess the best place to go is our 415 00:17:30,490 --> 00:17:27,530 web page which is currently being 416 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:30,500 refurbished but the web pages skips 417 00:17:36,070 --> 00:17:33,050 distal demo where there is a calendar 418 00:17:37,930 --> 00:17:36,080 and links to the forum where a lot of 419 00:17:40,750 --> 00:17:37,940 things are posted and lively discussions 420 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:40,760 are taking place we also get visits from 421 00:17:45,550 --> 00:17:43,250 a lot of the conspiracy theories and 422 00:17:47,380 --> 00:17:45,560 alternatively minded people that live in 423 00:17:49,900 --> 00:17:47,390 our country so we do have fruitful 424 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:49,910 discussions actually with active 425 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:51,490 moderators and everything is very good 426 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:55,250 and you know find us on Facebook there 427 00:17:59,530 --> 00:17:56,570 are more and more skeptics in the pubs 428 00:18:01,120 --> 00:17:59,540 popping up all over the country and of 429 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:01,130 course you should listen to the 430 00:18:07,930 --> 00:18:03,530 norwegian podcast which is called celtic 431 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:07,940 lipa a pinch of salt which is in no 432 00:18:12,150 --> 00:18:10,250 competition to Richard's podcast because 433 00:18:17,980 --> 00:18:12,160 we only talked about Norwegian news item 434 00:18:19,590 --> 00:18:17,990 good yeah and I guess if you if you do 435 00:18:22,990 --> 00:18:19,600 that if you check out those sites and 436 00:18:25,090 --> 00:18:23,000 follow us on Twitter you'll you'll find 437 00:18:27,430 --> 00:18:25,100 most of the stuff that's going on and 438 00:18:29,010 --> 00:18:27,440 and what what do people look for on 439 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:29,020 Twitter how do they follow you there 440 00:18:37,090 --> 00:18:32,570 that's skips is not again which is just 441 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:37,100 skeptics Norway in Norwegian Wow pretty 442 00:18:42,850 --> 00:18:39,530 simple that's pretty simple and I love I 443 00:18:44,590 --> 00:18:42,860 i love the the idea of like minded 444 00:18:46,900 --> 00:18:44,600 people like yourselves and the people in 445 00:18:48,310 --> 00:18:46,910 norway doing the similar sort of things 446 00:18:50,410 --> 00:18:48,320 that we're doing all the way on the 447 00:18:51,820 --> 00:18:50,420 other side of the world and what I think 448 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:51,830 about it you really can't get much 449 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:54,890 further apart than you in no way in here 450 00:19:00,130 --> 00:18:57,050 us here in Australia it's a long 451 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:00,140 distance yeah I think you're right it's 452 00:19:07,300 --> 00:19:04,490 very very far now Marit I i hope i might 453 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:07,310 be lucky enough to meet up with you soon 454 00:19:12,490 --> 00:19:09,650 in Manchester for QED but I happen to 455 00:19:14,290 --> 00:19:12,500 know that a friend of yours in the 456 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:14,300 Norwegian skeptics Kristin Carlson will 457 00:19:18,730 --> 00:19:16,850 be there yeah she's gonna be going I'm 458 00:19:21,610 --> 00:19:18,740 very jealous I have to work that weekend 459 00:19:23,770 --> 00:19:21,620 unfortunately but i'll try i'll try my 460 00:19:26,260 --> 00:19:23,780 hardest to to get away and come join you 461 00:19:27,580 --> 00:19:26,270 guys cuz it's gonna be awesome that 462 00:19:29,050 --> 00:19:27,590 would be great because i did have the 463 00:19:32,140 --> 00:19:29,060 pleasure of meeting you and your brother 464 00:19:35,180 --> 00:19:32,150 in Las Vegas last year at tam that was 465 00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:35,190 exciting I remember I was in in the 466 00:19:40,130 --> 00:19:38,400 corridor or somewhere and suddenly you 467 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:40,140 were in front of me and because of my 468 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:43,170 jet lagged and frazzled state it was 469 00:19:50,770 --> 00:19:45,330 hard to take in and suddenly it just hit 470 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:53,450 you look a bit frazzled at that point 471 00:19:59,660 --> 00:19:56,810 yet I did but someone of your your 472 00:20:02,600 --> 00:19:59,670 friends I can't remember who it was now 473 00:20:04,580 --> 00:20:02,610 somebody gave me this amazing candy that 474 00:20:07,580 --> 00:20:04,590 was either Norwegian or spooky there's 475 00:20:11,300 --> 00:20:07,590 something that was the no reason candy 476 00:20:13,370 --> 00:20:11,310 yeah in the south oh man but but luckily 477 00:20:16,850 --> 00:20:13,380 I loved it it was really strong salty 478 00:20:19,220 --> 00:20:16,860 candy but I loved yeah it was something 479 00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:19,230 to be had there we are friends there's 480 00:20:22,460 --> 00:20:20,880 another reason why we should all visit 481 00:20:24,260 --> 00:20:22,470 norway not only for the wonderful 482 00:20:26,180 --> 00:20:24,270 company of the skeptics up there and the 483 00:20:27,950 --> 00:20:26,190 wonderful cruisers and the wonderful 484 00:20:32,570 --> 00:20:27,960 conventions but the candy is just 485 00:20:34,250 --> 00:20:32,580 unbelievable it wouldn't believe it by 486 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:34,260 the faces that we saw when we came in to 487 00:20:38,810 --> 00:20:37,050 you guys okay well I mean you know the 488 00:20:41,210 --> 00:20:38,820 Australians have the same trick when we 489 00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:41,220 go over we take Vegemite must exhibit 490 00:20:48,890 --> 00:20:45,600 appeal they go where at least you get 491 00:20:51,230 --> 00:20:48,900 attention that's true merit thank you so 492 00:20:53,230 --> 00:20:51,240 much for sparing some time look out for 493 00:20:56,900 --> 00:20:53,240 fish I hope they don't rush up near 494 00:20:59,690 --> 00:20:56,910 anywhere near you and I certainly hope 495 00:21:01,970 --> 00:20:59,700 to see you if we're lucky enough in in 496 00:21:04,340 --> 00:21:01,980 Manchester very soon and if there's any 497 00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:04,350 news from Norway you'd like to tell the 498 00:21:25,729 --> 00:21:06,720 world about via the skeptic zone just 499 00:21:30,659 --> 00:21:28,830 hi I'm audit oh yeah Kristen or even 500 00:21:32,999 --> 00:21:30,669 tipsy dice on most little skeptic zone 501 00:21:35,009 --> 00:21:33,009 I'm skeptical Miren lo diga the VINs not 502 00:21:36,690 --> 00:21:35,019 a blog gear or petrov a podcast of 503 00:21:39,299 --> 00:21:36,700 reading in skip sis live mesh leaks on 504 00:21:40,859 --> 00:21:39,309 this drama central i'll skip sister demo 505 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:40,869 or higher publicize the dips corner 506 00:21:44,669 --> 00:21:42,970 Chiclets and calendar / activator or 507 00:21:45,899 --> 00:21:44,679 link eternity research it escapes his 508 00:21:47,310 --> 00:21:45,909 blog in opportunity i'm lay of the 509 00:21:48,869 --> 00:21:47,320 discrete areas hefty tip of food oh man 510 00:22:11,430 --> 00:21:48,879 so stick Kingdom or Delta do gossip 511 00:22:23,289 --> 00:22:15,570 is penny Chen with a penny for your 512 00:22:27,820 --> 00:22:26,029 when I first met Doug good dro he was 513 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:27,830 carving pumpkins at a halloween fair 514 00:22:32,570 --> 00:22:30,090 actually to say he was carving pumpkins 515 00:22:34,340 --> 00:22:32,580 is wrong he was artfully transforming 516 00:22:36,740 --> 00:22:34,350 them into monsters creatures and hideous 517 00:22:38,539 --> 00:22:36,750 shrunken heads while talking to him I 518 00:22:41,149 --> 00:22:38,549 found out that his day jobs involves 519 00:22:42,830 --> 00:22:41,159 real dead monsters Doug started as a 520 00:22:45,470 --> 00:22:42,840 special effects makeup artist and 521 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:45,480 sculptor for films he later took up more 522 00:22:50,180 --> 00:22:47,370 tre work or he found his artistic skills 523 00:22:51,740 --> 00:22:50,190 were greatly valued as a paleontologist 524 00:22:53,810 --> 00:22:51,750 he puts his mortician skills and 525 00:22:55,850 --> 00:22:53,820 artistic talents to use in preparing 526 00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:55,860 fossils I was more familiar with the 527 00:23:01,220 --> 00:22:57,840 state of the art materials and 528 00:23:03,169 --> 00:23:01,230 techniques and and where to get the 529 00:23:06,740 --> 00:23:03,179 resources that were out there from the 530 00:23:09,259 --> 00:23:06,750 film industry so why I took that 531 00:23:11,269 --> 00:23:09,269 knowledge and applied it to paleontology 532 00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:11,279 I met up with Doug where he works at the 533 00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:13,049 los angeles county museum of natural 534 00:23:16,850 --> 00:23:15,120 history this is an interesting area 535 00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:16,860 where what do you call this area that 536 00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:18,840 we're in right now this it's a sort of 537 00:23:24,830 --> 00:23:23,039 indoor/outdoor fossil storage area it 538 00:23:27,019 --> 00:23:24,840 looks like right we're on the top floor 539 00:23:28,580 --> 00:23:27,029 of the museum right yeah we we just 540 00:23:30,019 --> 00:23:28,590 refer to it as the back deck it was 541 00:23:32,210 --> 00:23:30,029 about that before I started working here 542 00:23:35,090 --> 00:23:32,220 so I just that's kind of what we call it 543 00:23:37,730 --> 00:23:35,100 and it's in its the back back outside 544 00:23:40,129 --> 00:23:37,740 area from making a mess and easy to 545 00:23:42,769 --> 00:23:40,139 clean up there on the back deck lay 546 00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:42,779 dozens of enormous dinosaur fossils many 547 00:23:46,279 --> 00:23:44,700 still carefully encased in the plaster 548 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:46,289 jackets then been placed in for 549 00:23:50,259 --> 00:23:48,809 transport from the excavation site here 550 00:23:52,279 --> 00:23:50,269 the staff spends countless hours 551 00:23:53,899 --> 00:23:52,289 painstakingly chipping away layers of 552 00:23:56,090 --> 00:23:53,909 hardened sediment from the fossils 553 00:23:57,980 --> 00:23:56,100 remember the beginning of jurassic park 554 00:24:00,080 --> 00:23:57,990 where the paleontologists effortlessly 555 00:24:01,879 --> 00:24:00,090 sweep away dust and sand from fossils 556 00:24:04,460 --> 00:24:01,889 laying in the field using paint brushes 557 00:24:07,009 --> 00:24:04,470 this is nothing like that so once you 558 00:24:09,919 --> 00:24:07,019 have dental tools okay a lot of it 559 00:24:11,690 --> 00:24:09,929 nothing is the technology hasn't changed 560 00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:11,700 much since pen ontology was first 561 00:24:16,220 --> 00:24:12,720 started back in 562 00:24:18,409 --> 00:24:16,230 seventeen hundreds or so so we got four 563 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:18,419 pieces here on this what do you call 564 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:21,690 this we have a sand table is nice people 565 00:24:26,659 --> 00:24:24,090 top just imagine a table top but instead 566 00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:26,669 of a hard surface it's just sand that 567 00:24:30,740 --> 00:24:28,110 you've put there and like a big 568 00:24:34,100 --> 00:24:30,750 sandboxes inner box so it's just like 569 00:24:35,659 --> 00:24:34,110 cradles yeah and then if your soft 570 00:24:39,169 --> 00:24:35,669 surface to work on right these are often 571 00:24:41,419 --> 00:24:39,179 awkward shapes and and we don't have 572 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:41,429 this may be something to prop them up 573 00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,690 that you have a glue on there and it's 574 00:24:46,190 --> 00:24:44,640 drying if it were to fall over it's 575 00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:46,200 efficient in the sand that doesn't hit a 576 00:24:49,310 --> 00:24:47,760 hard counter top surface or possibly 577 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:49,320 fallen before alright and has 578 00:24:54,380 --> 00:24:51,570 earthquakes around teared up on ya quite 579 00:24:57,620 --> 00:24:54,390 safe as far down right exactly so that's 580 00:25:01,580 --> 00:24:57,630 a nice place to safe place to work that 581 00:25:02,930 --> 00:25:01,590 way yeah and lots of sandbags as well 582 00:25:04,970 --> 00:25:02,940 and is this what you've been working on 583 00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:04,980 clinically this we're working we're 584 00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:06,240 focusing on this because it's a new 585 00:25:12,350 --> 00:25:10,320 species it sorry NGP what's this species 586 00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:12,360 come it's a new species of Diplo dosa 587 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:15,360 it's a big sauropod big long tail 588 00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:19,770 long-necked large bust size herbivores 589 00:25:23,779 --> 00:25:22,049 is it from Utah he said it's all right 590 00:25:25,250 --> 00:25:23,789 okay windows when does this discovered 591 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:25,260 when was this this is found a couple of 592 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:32,500 I think of Richard mother me it's a few 593 00:25:37,690 --> 00:25:33,650 days after Christmas you said it was 594 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:37,700 dead during past week or so oh the day 595 00:25:41,230 --> 00:25:39,410 before right after I think but then 596 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:41,240 suddenly then suddenly today I came here 597 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:42,890 to where there's so many people down 598 00:25:48,190 --> 00:25:45,650 there it's almost all little kids and 599 00:25:51,790 --> 00:25:48,200 parents it looks like on Christmas 600 00:25:56,290 --> 00:25:51,800 vacation come here for a day of day of 601 00:25:58,030 --> 00:25:56,300 fun and knowledge dinosaurs all right um 602 00:26:00,700 --> 00:25:58,040 but you said that you also had some 603 00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:00,710 people from England come yes a couple 604 00:26:07,180 --> 00:26:04,370 yeah just yesterday well from all over 605 00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:07,190 and folks from all over join us on 606 00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:08,840 exhibitions ago what do they want today 607 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:11,360 he said they were creation there was a 608 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:16,610 guy get in as a get a Kimen another 609 00:26:23,580 --> 00:26:21,050 co-writer we're going trying to talk to 610 00:26:28,060 --> 00:26:23,590 other scientists other people in in 611 00:26:30,540 --> 00:26:28,070 scientific backgrounds about how 612 00:26:33,220 --> 00:26:30,550 religion and science often butt heads 613 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:33,230 creationism it was one part of it or a 614 00:26:39,850 --> 00:26:35,690 big part of it and we often see people 615 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:39,860 the creationists in our Museum and you 616 00:26:44,650 --> 00:26:41,930 know because you you hear them and how 617 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:44,660 they're explaining to their group how 618 00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:48,410 things came to be and how these fossils 619 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:50,480 just ignoring all scientific data and 620 00:26:56,170 --> 00:26:53,530 proof and in claiming that these 621 00:26:59,020 --> 00:26:56,180 specimens that we work on or they were 622 00:27:01,330 --> 00:26:59,030 making fossils so to speak or there it 623 00:27:04,270 --> 00:27:01,340 stays with it as we hope years old man 624 00:27:06,730 --> 00:27:04,280 yes that's that's where they they make 625 00:27:08,919 --> 00:27:06,740 the dinosaurs and 626 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:08,929 and and what do you what do you think do 627 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:10,610 you ever have an urge to say something 628 00:27:15,220 --> 00:27:12,770 to them like well actually i was out 629 00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:15,230 there digging these up I've got the 630 00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:17,600 sunburn improvement yeah i think i've 631 00:27:23,169 --> 00:27:20,240 done the time to work and made the 632 00:27:24,610 --> 00:27:23,179 effort myself quite hard yeah and this 633 00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:24,620 has been a passion of mine since I was a 634 00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:29,440 child and and so yeah you'd have to 635 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:33,200 that'd be quite a quite a hoax to be 636 00:27:37,660 --> 00:27:36,050 able to date the material but through 637 00:27:39,580 --> 00:27:37,670 other scientific means radiometric 638 00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:39,590 dating us is the main one we use for 639 00:27:44,770 --> 00:27:41,840 measuring measuring the amount of 640 00:27:47,740 --> 00:27:44,780 radioactivity in the sediments and 641 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:47,750 material and that's it you can you can 642 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:50,570 put a specific number on that and how 643 00:27:55,210 --> 00:27:52,490 long it takes that radioactivity the 644 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:55,220 isotopes to break down and give yourself 645 00:27:59,230 --> 00:27:57,170 a solid number and it's it goes back 646 00:28:01,000 --> 00:27:59,240 millions of years old in case the Morse 647 00:28:04,390 --> 00:28:01,010 information material is 150 million 648 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:04,400 years old so high stake you feel when 649 00:28:08,290 --> 00:28:06,050 you when you hear these people explain 650 00:28:10,419 --> 00:28:08,300 to their kids really I don't real fast I 651 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:10,429 mean there's something like that people 652 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:12,770 have a question for me you could stand 653 00:28:15,370 --> 00:28:13,850 out there and spend your whole day 654 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:15,380 talking explaining with people what's 655 00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,090 going on because they'd rather do that 656 00:28:20,830 --> 00:28:19,760 then then just read the signage or try 657 00:28:22,570 --> 00:28:20,840 to interpret things from selves they 658 00:28:24,010 --> 00:28:22,580 want some sort of one-on-one interaction 659 00:28:27,549 --> 00:28:24,020 with people that actually do this thing 660 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:27,559 and I I really haven't been you know 661 00:28:33,970 --> 00:28:30,650 confronted in an aggressive manner but 662 00:28:36,010 --> 00:28:33,980 I've heard people passionately explain 663 00:28:39,610 --> 00:28:36,020 their view of things and then move the 664 00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:39,620 groupon but I if I'm asked I'll give my 665 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:42,110 best explanation is politically correct 666 00:28:47,010 --> 00:28:44,690 and sensitive to their belief system was 667 00:28:49,740 --> 00:28:47,020 possible 668 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:49,750 and religion is faith belief or faith 669 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:53,530 based rather and science is just that 670 00:28:59,220 --> 00:28:57,130 it's it's state of this that's or 671 00:29:02,760 --> 00:28:59,230 gathered and then you establish a 672 00:29:06,180 --> 00:29:02,770 scientific fact based on that data and 673 00:29:08,430 --> 00:29:06,190 how you interpret it and you test that 674 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:08,440 data and time it again you come up with 675 00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:10,090 the same results so we have a fact 676 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:12,640 that's the established as fact you build 677 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:14,250 upon that that's really good knowledge 678 00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:17,530 so if you want to believe in parts of 679 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:19,510 things we're obviously yes this is a 680 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:21,610 this has this is a rock but it has 681 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:24,970 strange anatomical features you might 682 00:29:29,570 --> 00:29:26,890 just believe that it's nothing more than 683 00:29:33,410 --> 00:29:29,580 wrong and you're welcome to do that 684 00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:33,420 but other folks aren't going to just 685 00:29:37,970 --> 00:29:35,820 have faith that that's in that being a 686 00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,980 rock and that that is a 5000 year old 687 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:40,080 rock they might want to know more and 688 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:41,730 they'll ask questions of fine well if 689 00:29:46,460 --> 00:29:44,130 you look at other techniques or methods 690 00:29:48,350 --> 00:29:46,470 of dating material it's it's going to 691 00:29:50,390 --> 00:29:48,360 punch in the direction of no that's the 692 00:29:52,340 --> 00:29:50,400 that's that information is wrong here's 693 00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:52,350 what the data is showing you it's older 694 00:29:57,170 --> 00:29:55,320 and how come this Rock doesn't look like 695 00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,180 any others how can this kind of rock has 696 00:30:02,030 --> 00:29:59,520 been found in the same level of sediment 697 00:30:04,190 --> 00:30:02,040 all over the world downstairs is the 698 00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:04,200 dino lab where paleontology staffers 699 00:30:07,580 --> 00:30:05,910 liberate fossils from their matrices 700 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:07,590 using miniature jackhammers and 701 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:10,410 sandblasters this is done in full view 702 00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:12,530 of visitors behind acrylic glass windows 703 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:14,820 today they're working on two sauropod 704 00:30:20,380 --> 00:30:17,850 skeletons called Royce and Natalie right 705 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:20,390 now we're looking there's a window 706 00:30:25,460 --> 00:30:23,370 inside the museum and behind it we can 707 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:25,470 see into this what do you call this room 708 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:29,370 this is dino just the dino prep lab we 709 00:30:34,850 --> 00:30:31,050 see a ball looks like the vertebrae of 710 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:34,860 yeah mark circulated right I Dubreuil of 711 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:37,770 voice that the caudal tail I mean sorry 712 00:30:43,340 --> 00:30:39,810 there the Kaaba vertebrae of the tail 713 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:43,350 and you'll notice these these this is 714 00:30:46,610 --> 00:30:45,210 we're looking at 715 00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:46,620 but the closest thing to us are the 716 00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:49,710 Chevron's and those are little little 717 00:30:54,049 --> 00:30:51,510 bones that articulate underneath the 718 00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,059 tail you see the dorsal spines on top 719 00:30:58,880 --> 00:30:56,640 this is a big wide till we think with 720 00:31:02,570 --> 00:30:58,890 muscle but there's a simplified diagram 721 00:31:04,659 --> 00:31:02,580 on oh right behind us flash something a 722 00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:04,669 lot of lines of what 723 00:31:11,139 --> 00:31:08,960 I said video he is very tall yeah well 724 00:31:13,060 --> 00:31:11,149 that's even downsize and it's not even 725 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:13,070 here 726 00:31:28,269 --> 00:31:23,330 that's more of the of the copper that 727 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:28,279 he's Jack hammering away yeah so you can 728 00:31:33,610 --> 00:31:31,130 hear the fanny the buzz of them yeah and 729 00:31:37,899 --> 00:31:33,620 that's it the green color you can see 730 00:31:39,490 --> 00:31:37,909 that's that's Natalie and Don is doing 731 00:31:43,330 --> 00:31:39,500 something that's less exciting needs to 732 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:43,340 be done he's volunteering on to piece 733 00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:46,850 together some fragments of I think small 734 00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:50,320 portions of Natalie waving at the middle 735 00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:55,279 they see you some lumps of bones I 736 00:32:01,659 --> 00:31:58,250 believe are is that a giant vacuum or 737 00:32:05,769 --> 00:32:01,669 giant blower he lots of those and this 738 00:32:13,959 --> 00:32:10,450 yeah v-shaped on beneath the tibia then 739 00:32:15,549 --> 00:32:13,969 a tow bar and it says Robert yeah that's 740 00:32:18,009 --> 00:32:15,559 just a tea set here there's a sign that 741 00:32:20,919 --> 00:32:18,019 says Robert is preparing a toe bone from 742 00:32:22,330 --> 00:32:20,929 a large sauropod found in Utah thanks we 743 00:32:26,289 --> 00:32:22,340 can't really communicate through the 744 00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:26,299 glass well people uses hold up signs to 745 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:28,369 read lips and things to sign language 746 00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:32,090 yeah Doug knows his stuff and exploring 747 00:32:35,619 --> 00:32:33,679 the dinosaur exhibits with him was a lot 748 00:32:37,299 --> 00:32:35,629 of fun you can find out more about him 749 00:32:39,579 --> 00:32:37,309 and see his pumpkin art at peculiar 750 00:32:41,829 --> 00:32:39,589 pumpkin portraits calm and if you ever 751 00:32:44,379 --> 00:32:41,839 find yourself in LA check out the museum 752 00:32:45,879 --> 00:32:44,389 say hi to the folks in the Dino lab they 753 00:32:47,829 --> 00:32:45,889 work hard to recover and assemble the 754 00:32:49,930 --> 00:32:47,839 impressive dinosaur skeleton seen in the 755 00:32:53,619 --> 00:32:49,940 exhibits oh and if you ever go on the 756 00:33:00,570 --> 00:32:53,629 back deck watch out for wasps we like to 757 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:03,639 we are outside of it a rest up in there 758 00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:14,210 you 759 00:33:22,859 --> 00:33:20,080 me from what's the harm net a catalog of 760 00:33:25,139 --> 00:33:22,869 the real world harm caused by lack of 761 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:25,149 critical thinking but that's not my only 762 00:33:31,229 --> 00:33:28,330 project i present at skeptic events I 763 00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,239 post a daily skeptic history fact on 764 00:33:35,969 --> 00:33:33,519 Twitter and Facebook and I blog about 765 00:33:39,149 --> 00:33:35,979 using new techniques on the internet to 766 00:33:42,629 --> 00:33:39,159 advance skepticism come over to skep 767 00:33:45,719 --> 00:33:42,639 tools com and check out my latest ideas 768 00:33:51,210 --> 00:33:45,729 but first enjoy the rest of the skeptic 769 00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:51,220 zone join us now for drinking 770 00:34:00,119 --> 00:33:58,210 skeptically in the think tank well we're 771 00:34:01,859 --> 00:34:00,129 deep inside the bowels of the ABC right 772 00:34:03,899 --> 00:34:01,869 now which probably explains the smell 773 00:34:06,299 --> 00:34:03,909 and we've got dr. Reggie hot dr. Reggie 774 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:06,309 hi dr. Maynard and we have a Richard 775 00:34:11,069 --> 00:34:08,649 Saunders may not it's actually wear em 776 00:34:12,690 --> 00:34:11,079 up aren't we we're not in the bowels 777 00:34:14,579 --> 00:34:12,700 we're sort of in the intestines we're on 778 00:34:16,319 --> 00:34:14,589 the fourth floor in one of the Brady Oh 779 00:34:17,940 --> 00:34:16,329 national Studios which will prolly never 780 00:34:19,260 --> 00:34:17,950 be the same in fact everything here is 781 00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:19,270 brand-new because they're experimenting 782 00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:21,609 with some new technology which is 783 00:34:24,210 --> 00:34:22,720 fantastic and going to be spread 784 00:34:25,889 --> 00:34:24,220 throughout all the ABC and we one of the 785 00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:25,899 first people to use it it's a lovely 786 00:34:30,269 --> 00:34:28,089 wood paneled studio here with double 787 00:34:33,059 --> 00:34:30,279 glass behind us and you were sitting 788 00:34:35,010 --> 00:34:33,069 over there the the desk yes and we were 789 00:34:36,779 --> 00:34:35,020 your guests here on the other side and I 790 00:34:38,220 --> 00:34:36,789 had an operator and let me tell you i 791 00:34:39,629 --> 00:34:38,230 haven't had someone operate a panel for 792 00:34:41,220 --> 00:34:39,639 me since the days of triple j it's 793 00:34:43,619 --> 00:34:41,230 fantastic you can just concentrate on 794 00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:43,629 the show and Jamie Leonarda was here 795 00:34:47,309 --> 00:34:45,760 having a chat with us and a great 796 00:34:48,569 --> 00:34:47,319 anomalous and author was a good show 797 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:48,579 with you guys we're still finding our 798 00:34:52,129 --> 00:34:50,169 way how did you find it I thought was 799 00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:52,139 really fun Maynard and yeah we had a 800 00:34:57,390 --> 00:34:54,609 Glaswegian panel operator which was cool 801 00:34:59,279 --> 00:34:57,400 we did named Charlie yep Charlie Charlie 802 00:35:00,900 --> 00:34:59,289 Charlie mchugh in there and like I said 803 00:35:03,539 --> 00:35:00,910 you can't do anything in entertainment 804 00:35:05,940 --> 00:35:03,549 without Charlie that's true but may know 805 00:35:08,130 --> 00:35:05,950 what a what I thought we did a couple of 806 00:35:09,299 --> 00:35:08,140 recordings just now and that's going out 807 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:09,309 pretty soon I thought it went really 808 00:35:14,099 --> 00:35:12,010 well it was light-hearted it was fun and 809 00:35:16,349 --> 00:35:14,109 it was interesting okay so if you're 810 00:35:18,359 --> 00:35:16,359 listening to this in Australia it'll be 811 00:35:20,490 --> 00:35:18,369 at six o'clock tonight on your local 812 00:35:21,309 --> 00:35:20,500 radio network the crickets on one 813 00:35:23,049 --> 00:35:21,319 network and we 814 00:35:24,849 --> 00:35:23,059 beyond the other one so if you've got a 815 00:35:27,219 --> 00:35:24,859 digital radio you can get us on that or 816 00:35:28,989 --> 00:35:27,229 you can go to a local radio website and 817 00:35:30,430 --> 00:35:28,999 just click on the link there or you can 818 00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:30,440 go to our Facebook page where the audio 819 00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:31,849 will be available on demand shortly 820 00:35:34,989 --> 00:35:33,440 after the show is finished I might even 821 00:35:37,930 --> 00:35:34,999 put someone else's show up there is dead 822 00:35:40,479 --> 00:35:37,940 which is better right do that the same 823 00:35:44,019 --> 00:35:40,489 may not it's nice to be here with you in 824 00:35:46,420 --> 00:35:44,029 your natural environment yeah yes that's 825 00:35:48,189 --> 00:35:46,430 right it's doing kind of wonder how did 826 00:35:49,749 --> 00:35:48,199 you find a doctor a Chico sir because 827 00:35:50,709 --> 00:35:49,759 talking with Jamie we're talking about 828 00:35:52,299 --> 00:35:50,719 some interesting stuff we had the 829 00:35:54,279 --> 00:35:52,309 Kennedy assassination brought up there 830 00:35:56,650 --> 00:35:54,289 we have the alien mothership and I must 831 00:35:58,089 --> 00:35:56,660 say Richard admitted to the possibility 832 00:36:01,539 --> 00:35:58,099 of the alien mothership being on the way 833 00:36:03,870 --> 00:36:01,549 or my almost we've myself precise as you 834 00:36:07,299 --> 00:36:03,880 will hear me on the the show itself 835 00:36:08,589 --> 00:36:07,309 that's right why not why there's nothing 836 00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:08,599 stopping it there's not like there's a 837 00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:10,160 big stop sign outside the solar system 838 00:36:15,609 --> 00:36:13,849 says aliens keep out you know we found a 839 00:36:19,029 --> 00:36:15,619 planet recently that 600 light-years 840 00:36:20,349 --> 00:36:19,039 away which apparently also is what was 841 00:36:23,739 --> 00:36:20,359 said in Hitchhiker's Guide to the galaxy 842 00:36:25,299 --> 00:36:23,749 right that the planet one of the planets 843 00:36:27,249 --> 00:36:25,309 in Hitchhiker's is 600 light-years away 844 00:36:29,529 --> 00:36:27,259 that's a sign but it's going to take 845 00:36:32,170 --> 00:36:29,539 them a long time to get here may not so 846 00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:32,180 oh yeah yeah that that that's assuming 847 00:36:36,569 --> 00:36:34,609 that Einstein is correct and look I'm I 848 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:36,579 end up really when it's either that 849 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:38,690 experiment we've ready repeated it twice 850 00:36:41,739 --> 00:36:40,249 yes but we've done it twice yeah but 851 00:36:43,479 --> 00:36:41,749 I've already taken down my photo of 852 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:43,489 Einstein and put up my photo of Deepak 853 00:36:48,789 --> 00:36:46,249 Chopra oh god no don't do that maybe not 854 00:36:50,890 --> 00:36:48,799 because was he claimed that this is he 855 00:36:53,859 --> 00:36:50,900 knew about these years ago how did 856 00:36:55,509 --> 00:36:53,869 Deepak he knew that stuff goes faster 857 00:36:58,089 --> 00:36:55,519 than I do you follow him on Twitter he 858 00:37:01,449 --> 00:36:58,099 makes absolutely no sense oh thank me i 859 00:37:03,189 --> 00:37:01,459 think that's the idea there's an account 860 00:37:05,259 --> 00:37:03,199 that takes the mickey out of him and 861 00:37:07,749 --> 00:37:05,269 it's often very difficult to tell 862 00:37:09,309 --> 00:37:07,759 between the two you have because the the 863 00:37:12,249 --> 00:37:09,319 account that takes a Mickey is dbag 864 00:37:13,900 --> 00:37:12,259 Chopra so it's not a very dif not many 865 00:37:15,789 --> 00:37:13,910 letters are that difference so you have 866 00:37:18,339 --> 00:37:15,799 to look twice often because it's 867 00:37:20,620 --> 00:37:18,349 gibberish so put Einstein back on the 868 00:37:22,569 --> 00:37:20,630 wall Manor and I've actually met Deepak 869 00:37:24,999 --> 00:37:22,579 Chopra once I interviewed him on channel 870 00:37:26,890 --> 00:37:25,009 v and I got to say one thing about him 871 00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:26,900 um whatever you may say about him he I 872 00:37:32,259 --> 00:37:28,910 think he was probably the most relaxed 873 00:37:34,570 --> 00:37:32,269 person I've ever seen in my life don't 874 00:37:38,740 --> 00:37:34,580 come in he was just relaxed I mean 875 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:38,750 must be the meditation I it's hard to 876 00:37:41,650 --> 00:37:40,250 imagine him getting phased by anything 877 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:41,660 really he doesn't have to worry about 878 00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:43,970 paying rent does he or you know putting 879 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:46,400 food on the table because he gets lots 880 00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:48,410 and lots of money from making stuff up 881 00:37:53,260 --> 00:37:51,710 so he I'm sure he's pretty relaxed I'd 882 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:53,270 be pretty relaxed too if I owned a big 883 00:37:58,090 --> 00:37:55,570 house in a big car in a big pool and a 884 00:38:00,610 --> 00:37:58,100 team of people to cook for me and stuff 885 00:38:02,020 --> 00:38:00,620 like look look I'm pulling peoples chain 886 00:38:05,710 --> 00:38:02,030 all the time but I don't look too 887 00:38:06,820 --> 00:38:05,720 relaxed yeah well I don't know and what 888 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:06,830 I have said I don't have any evidence 889 00:38:11,290 --> 00:38:09,530 for by the way I just hypothesize that 890 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:11,300 he probably has enough money to look 891 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:13,850 very relaxed and how did you find it 892 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:15,890 actually being in a real broader I mean 893 00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:17,330 wouldn't this be great wouldn't a think 894 00:38:23,770 --> 00:38:21,920 tank go well in here yes and no me no 895 00:38:25,210 --> 00:38:23,780 because part of the pleasure and the 896 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:25,220 character of the think tank is we're 897 00:38:28,990 --> 00:38:27,290 actually in a real club with with real 898 00:38:30,850 --> 00:38:29,000 restaurant and and people running up 899 00:38:32,260 --> 00:38:30,860 like in the last thing thing we did you 900 00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:32,270 up and let went to the bar halfway 901 00:38:36,370 --> 00:38:33,920 through the ship the show that's what I 902 00:38:37,810 --> 00:38:36,380 told you i was doing this right but we 903 00:38:39,340 --> 00:38:37,820 can take but may know we could take 904 00:38:41,170 --> 00:38:39,350 callers in here couldn't we we could 905 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:41,180 have talked back oh yeah you could 906 00:38:46,330 --> 00:38:44,090 really fun wouldn't I loved it in fact 907 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:46,340 the only thing I think isn't in the 908 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:48,890 studio that it could probably use is a 909 00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:52,610 webcam yeah I don't see one but yeah 910 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:55,250 talk back a calls I'm open line for the 911 00:38:59,800 --> 00:38:57,290 think tank would be fantastic manly good 912 00:39:01,780 --> 00:38:59,810 fun well maybe we could get that 913 00:39:03,820 --> 00:39:01,790 together sometime I mean maybe you could 914 00:39:05,860 --> 00:39:03,830 organize an open skype session at a 915 00:39:07,810 --> 00:39:05,870 certain time say Richard and we were 916 00:39:10,510 --> 00:39:07,820 going to be at one place this is the 917 00:39:12,070 --> 00:39:10,520 skype thing might work okay well look 918 00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:12,080 well look we've already decided the 919 00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:13,910 early and motherships on the way the 920 00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:16,640 jury's out on the on Lee Harvey Oswald 921 00:39:21,370 --> 00:39:19,280 there unfortunately he's dead but well 922 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:21,380 the Jew but look yeah morning yeah I 923 00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:23,930 think you said that he did you know I'm 924 00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:26,510 pretty sure he is what Richard said was 925 00:39:30,190 --> 00:39:28,400 the evidence at the moment points to the 926 00:39:32,590 --> 00:39:30,200 fact that he was the lone gunman and 927 00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:32,600 until we get any contradicting evidence 928 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:35,510 that would be the current evidence is 929 00:39:39,550 --> 00:39:37,610 that right because it's it's the the 930 00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:39,560 best fit for all the evidences lee 931 00:39:45,370 --> 00:39:42,800 harvey oswald was the lone gunman I make 932 00:39:46,980 --> 00:39:45,380 no comments here about deeper 933 00:39:49,050 --> 00:39:46,990 conspiracies or whatever the 934 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:49,060 maybe but the ballistics and the 935 00:39:52,859 --> 00:39:50,650 projector e of the bulletin that was 936 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:52,869 great to see Germany now his face when 937 00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:56,650 you said that like he was thinking ah 938 00:39:59,550 --> 00:39:58,330 it's one of those people that believe 939 00:40:00,810 --> 00:39:59,560 the Warren Commission and I got to say 940 00:40:02,609 --> 00:40:00,820 the Warren Commission has got some 941 00:40:05,070 --> 00:40:02,619 problems and I would recommend the movie 942 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:05,080 made shortly after called rush to 943 00:40:08,370 --> 00:40:06,970 judgment and read up about that because 944 00:40:10,530 --> 00:40:08,380 the people reckon that's a flawed movie 945 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:10,540 as well for certain reasons but it's 946 00:40:15,060 --> 00:40:12,850 worth watching for merely the evidence 947 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:15,070 submitted by the piano player at the 948 00:40:18,570 --> 00:40:16,450 carousel bar because he's actually 949 00:40:20,670 --> 00:40:18,580 playing the piano as he's describing 950 00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:20,680 meeting some of the major characters in 951 00:40:24,210 --> 00:40:22,510 the assassination at the Carousel Club 952 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:24,220 it's one of the strangest interviews 953 00:40:28,770 --> 00:40:26,170 I've seen this guy's been playing jazz 954 00:40:30,750 --> 00:40:28,780 piano and go yeah I saw how else would a 955 00:40:32,820 --> 00:40:30,760 playing these plays the piano it's a 956 00:40:36,570 --> 00:40:32,830 great interview also listeners might 957 00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,580 google the hat man and JFK assassination 958 00:40:40,859 --> 00:40:38,560 mmm that's an interesting story i'll 959 00:40:42,780 --> 00:40:40,869 leave that go but google the hat man and 960 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:42,790 so basically you think that they 961 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:44,290 disbelievers is a positive experience 962 00:40:47,370 --> 00:40:46,090 for you or is it something you really 963 00:40:50,340 --> 00:40:47,380 you're going to change your clothes amid 964 00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:50,350 dark glasses well i'll do that anyway no 965 00:40:54,450 --> 00:40:51,910 it's great fun but i just noticed 966 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:54,460 there's a sign above us me neither as we 967 00:40:59,580 --> 00:40:56,410 look a gaze up to the wall near the 968 00:41:01,980 --> 00:40:59,590 clock no food or drink in studio oh 969 00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:01,990 that's not good look we do have a dirty 970 00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:04,000 disbelievers facebook group and the 971 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:05,950 audio on demand will also be on there 972 00:41:10,530 --> 00:41:07,930 and you we have a section called crank 973 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:10,540 mail if you want to get something into 974 00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:13,090 us about the show whether you like it or 975 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:15,070 not but probably more what we're looking 976 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:16,930 for is posing some unusual questions 977 00:41:20,940 --> 00:41:19,450 like we have someone claiming and that 978 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:20,950 they were making an extraordinary claim 979 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:22,330 which means it requires extraordinary 980 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:25,090 evidence which we usually don't have in 981 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:28,330 that xanadu was the best musical of the 982 00:41:34,530 --> 00:41:31,450 80s now keep in mind its up against 983 00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:34,540 can't stop the music Flashdance and foot 984 00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:36,310 and and Footloose just to name a couple 985 00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:38,560 and Kevin pretty exceptional how often 986 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:42,160 do you get a welding dancer who is wet 987 00:41:45,930 --> 00:41:43,930 all the time yeah how often do you get 988 00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:45,940 Kevin Bacon dancing to a Volkswagen 989 00:41:50,609 --> 00:41:47,920 going to a car wash that's a good point 990 00:41:53,609 --> 00:41:50,619 is is flesh Gordon considered a musical 991 00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:53,619 nine I've got music by Queen actually I 992 00:41:57,950 --> 00:41:56,190 would throw that one in there a little 993 00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:57,960 bit and it was actually written the 994 00:42:02,540 --> 00:42:00,839 script was written by Lorenzo simple jr. 995 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:02,550 Flash Gordon now does that ring a bell 996 00:42:06,770 --> 00:42:05,010 with anyone now anyone who ever watched 997 00:42:09,140 --> 00:42:06,780 batman would have seen his name at the 998 00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:09,150 beginning of every 60 s Batman episode 999 00:42:14,089 --> 00:42:11,640 because he was the script overseer for 1000 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:14,099 the original Batman that's why the Flash 1001 00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:17,010 Gordon movie is so can ok and says set 1002 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:18,420 that thing about it in fact there's a 1003 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:20,130 great moment whether where they're tied 1004 00:42:25,309 --> 00:42:22,650 up and the scene cuts to them and the 1005 00:42:27,530 --> 00:42:25,319 guy says to flash so tell me about this 1006 00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:27,540 man Houdini and then they cut to another 1007 00:42:31,790 --> 00:42:30,240 scene and that that's classic Batman you 1008 00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:31,800 know I recommend go have a look at it 1009 00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:32,910 even if you don't like the Queen music 1010 00:42:36,020 --> 00:42:34,710 and it's a bit of a dagger it's not one 1011 00:42:38,420 --> 00:42:36,030 of the things we were discussing in the 1012 00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:38,430 show itself and of course listeners all 1013 00:42:42,770 --> 00:42:39,900 around the world will be able to listen 1014 00:42:45,470 --> 00:42:42,780 to the dirty disbelievers um was sort of 1015 00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:45,480 under underrated news or suppressed news 1016 00:42:49,849 --> 00:42:47,160 i think flash gordon is to suppress 1017 00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:49,859 movie i think was a great fun and also 1018 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:50,880 like we're still finding our way with 1019 00:42:54,980 --> 00:42:53,130 this show like I mean we've got you guys 1020 00:42:56,329 --> 00:42:54,990 with the skeptics and jmu has a 1021 00:42:57,950 --> 00:42:56,339 different opinion on things and it was 1022 00:42:59,690 --> 00:42:57,960 very respectful and we were looking at 1023 00:43:01,160 --> 00:42:59,700 different sides of things and just 1024 00:43:02,569 --> 00:43:01,170 having a discussion we weren't trying to 1025 00:43:04,490 --> 00:43:02,579 have an argument we weren't trying to 1026 00:43:06,380 --> 00:43:04,500 win points we were just trying to make 1027 00:43:08,839 --> 00:43:06,390 entertaining radio and make people think 1028 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:08,849 and maybe our points of view as it 1029 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:11,490 turned out what hugely different mmm and 1030 00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:13,290 what like I like to point out and Los 1031 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:14,640 skeptics will hit me over the head for 1032 00:43:19,069 --> 00:43:17,010 this is that like sometimes people's 1033 00:43:21,050 --> 00:43:19,079 level of evidence is just lower than 1034 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:21,060 what is usually demanded by skeptics and 1035 00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:22,530 I think that is the critical difference 1036 00:43:27,770 --> 00:43:24,510 here would you think that yeah probably 1037 00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:27,780 but I think also Jamie mentioned he'd 1038 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:30,089 had some difficult experiences with some 1039 00:43:33,230 --> 00:43:31,650 other people that he thought was 1040 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:33,240 skeptics so he was a bit worried about 1041 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:35,490 speaking to us and turned out we're not 1042 00:43:40,339 --> 00:43:38,130 as evil and we don't have horns on our 1043 00:43:41,690 --> 00:43:40,349 heads at after all that's one of the 1044 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:41,700 biggest problems we have made and 1045 00:43:45,620 --> 00:43:43,650 frankly as people come to us a are you 1046 00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:45,630 skeptics of this that or the other I met 1047 00:43:49,339 --> 00:43:47,609 a skeptic and blah blah blah and my 1048 00:43:51,260 --> 00:43:49,349 response is usually do that well who are 1049 00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:51,270 you talking about who is this person 1050 00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:53,609 that you've met who was a complete ass 1051 00:43:57,890 --> 00:43:55,040 or whatever the case may be and 1052 00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,900 invariably it's just somebody some ass 1053 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:00,000 who calls themselves a skeptic not not a 1054 00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:02,010 not one of us well yeah I mean it's 1055 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:04,710 someone who was like being a dick to use 1056 00:44:09,230 --> 00:44:06,450 the phrase you guys like 1057 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:09,240 yeah so of course there's an any number 1058 00:44:12,020 --> 00:44:10,530 of people that can call themselves a 1059 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:12,030 skeptic am be a dick and offend people 1060 00:44:17,390 --> 00:44:14,970 and just happens that when we tend not 1061 00:44:18,890 --> 00:44:17,400 to be those people although I think 1062 00:44:20,750 --> 00:44:18,900 people that watch the one might have a 1063 00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:20,760 different opinion of you Richard yeah 1064 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:23,760 yeah actually yeah actually I might I've 1065 00:44:27,140 --> 00:44:25,650 got some notes here that I made for the 1066 00:44:28,730 --> 00:44:27,150 listeners at home these are some of the 1067 00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,740 you can play along at home they dirty 1068 00:44:32,359 --> 00:44:30,240 just believers quiz I just made this up 1069 00:44:34,910 --> 00:44:32,369 in five minutes before the show and I 1070 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:34,920 started up and because I spoke to adam 1071 00:44:38,030 --> 00:44:36,930 curry from the no agenda show and I've 1072 00:44:39,890 --> 00:44:38,040 actually got any of you coming up with 1073 00:44:41,780 --> 00:44:39,900 the jhansi dvorak in the near future too 1074 00:44:43,370 --> 00:44:41,790 and he's very hard to get to New view 1075 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:43,380 looking forward to him of course I mean 1076 00:44:46,460 --> 00:44:45,210 this skeptics wouldn't agree with the no 1077 00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:46,470 agenda show I'd say they probably 1078 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:48,240 wouldn't be on board but I like the show 1079 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:50,970 because it I do great mental gymnastics 1080 00:44:56,030 --> 00:44:53,450 with it but these are some of the 1081 00:44:58,579 --> 00:44:56,040 questions that we asked on the show okay 1082 00:45:00,050 --> 00:44:58,589 yeah why don't you read them Richard I 1083 00:45:01,849 --> 00:45:00,060 haven't got my gotta wear my glasses 1084 00:45:03,950 --> 00:45:01,859 here we have their play along at home 1085 00:45:05,060 --> 00:45:03,960 but bear in mind there well some people 1086 00:45:07,339 --> 00:45:05,070 would say there's right answers to this 1087 00:45:09,380 --> 00:45:07,349 but give it a go all right well okay 1088 00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:09,390 well we've already covered there is the 1089 00:45:14,540 --> 00:45:12,720 alien mothership coming that's a good 1090 00:45:16,339 --> 00:45:14,550 question i mean what do you think may 1091 00:45:17,540 --> 00:45:16,349 not armed I'm gonna leave that you can 1092 00:45:18,859 --> 00:45:17,550 listen to the show this is for the users 1093 00:45:20,660 --> 00:45:18,869 this is for the play along people at 1094 00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:20,670 home a lot of play long people have the 1095 00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:23,280 other question was was Lee Harvey Oswald 1096 00:45:26,780 --> 00:45:25,140 the lone assassin that's a very 1097 00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:26,790 interesting question yet now because 1098 00:45:31,010 --> 00:45:29,250 some yet most people will the official 1099 00:45:32,359 --> 00:45:31,020 answer is yes but there's sure a lot of 1100 00:45:34,010 --> 00:45:32,369 people that would argue about that I'm 1101 00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:34,020 sure there are there another question if 1102 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:36,960 you drink a liter of milk or really say 1103 00:45:42,530 --> 00:45:39,210 a gallon or half a gallon fast will it 1104 00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:42,540 always come out your nose hmm that's an 1105 00:45:45,740 --> 00:45:43,920 interesting question say so already 1106 00:45:49,250 --> 00:45:45,750 would move from like political stuff to 1107 00:45:50,839 --> 00:45:49,260 mucking around and I I think that's more 1108 00:45:54,589 --> 00:45:50,849 the tone of the show as the questions 1109 00:45:59,180 --> 00:45:54,599 will ya how about is there such a thing 1110 00:46:00,829 --> 00:45:59,190 as lucky undies or underwear so that's a 1111 00:46:02,059 --> 00:46:00,839 polarizing question as people out there 1112 00:46:04,220 --> 00:46:02,069 going of course there's people going 1113 00:46:05,839 --> 00:46:04,230 well I'll have to test that out four or 1114 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:05,849 five weekends in a row and then do a 1115 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:07,170 statistical graph and that sort of thing 1116 00:46:11,690 --> 00:46:09,210 the other one we got is now if you're 1117 00:46:14,359 --> 00:46:11,700 single and you tied your bedroom before 1118 00:46:15,290 --> 00:46:14,369 you go out you'll never have anyone come 1119 00:46:16,970 --> 00:46:15,300 home with you apps 1120 00:46:19,460 --> 00:46:16,980 lutely absolutely and I've done this 1121 00:46:21,350 --> 00:46:19,470 experiment numerous times and I can also 1122 00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:21,360 attest to the fact if you wear your best 1123 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:23,760 undies out and you tie to your room 1124 00:46:27,350 --> 00:46:26,010 you've got no chance at all so you've 1125 00:46:29,570 --> 00:46:27,360 got to be wearing your bad undies and 1126 00:46:31,610 --> 00:46:29,580 your room has to be a disaster and the 1127 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:31,620 last question they're listening to the 1128 00:46:38,030 --> 00:46:34,890 smiths leads to you feeling somewhat 1129 00:46:39,710 --> 00:46:38,040 morose I think it depends on I think it 1130 00:46:41,870 --> 00:46:39,720 depends on which song whenever I hear 1131 00:46:44,090 --> 00:46:41,880 rain falls down on a humdrum town I 1132 00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:44,100 think about me and your castle oh yeah 1133 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:46,560 see it's all about Association isn't it 1134 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:50,130 but if it's William William was really 1135 00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:51,810 nothing then you don't you probably just 1136 00:46:56,060 --> 00:46:52,980 want to dance with a bunch of 1137 00:46:58,690 --> 00:46:56,070 chrysanthemums may not that's true and i 1138 00:47:01,790 --> 00:46:58,700 think i am turning into a chrysanthemum 1139 00:47:04,370 --> 00:47:01,800 who's helping the the fund to get me to 1140 00:47:06,350 --> 00:47:04,380 report on tam 10 i'm looking forward to 1141 00:47:08,450 --> 00:47:06,360 getting over there and having a chat 1142 00:47:10,190 --> 00:47:08,460 with well whoever will talk to me really 1143 00:47:12,890 --> 00:47:10,200 may not you're going to be very busy at 1144 00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:12,900 tam 10 I'm delighted to say and again 1145 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:14,250 thank you to all those listeners out 1146 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:16,290 there who are really chipping in as 1147 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:20,610 Maynard's thermometer will show you not 1148 00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:23,850 to be used internally the money is 1149 00:47:27,230 --> 00:47:25,680 growing and yes we will buy you that 1150 00:47:28,250 --> 00:47:27,240 plane ticket and if you wonder what I'm 1151 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:28,260 going to be doing when I get there just 1152 00:47:34,850 --> 00:47:32,490 go back last year too when I covered tam 1153 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:34,860 Australia um I think would have knocked 1154 00:47:38,930 --> 00:47:36,930 over about close to 30 interviews with 1155 00:47:41,060 --> 00:47:38,940 now absolutely or listeners all will 1156 00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:41,070 well remember when we have a big event 1157 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:42,960 and you're on the scene for weeks 1158 00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:44,850 afterwards we have lots of great 1159 00:47:50,510 --> 00:47:47,520 interviews and insights from Maynard so 1160 00:47:53,150 --> 00:47:50,520 Tam 10 will be that on steroids and and 1161 00:47:55,220 --> 00:47:53,160 one of the things that you can check out 1162 00:47:58,190 --> 00:47:55,230 which is not actually on this podcast 1163 00:47:59,660 --> 00:47:58,200 but is on the Maynard's Malays page go 1164 00:48:02,060 --> 00:47:59,670 and have a look for a podcast on my 1165 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:02,070 Manor comdata you site called the music 1166 00:48:06,260 --> 00:48:04,650 of Tam Australia I went around and asked 1167 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:06,270 the whole bunch of skeptics and people 1168 00:48:09,590 --> 00:48:07,770 are attending what was their favorite 1169 00:48:11,150 --> 00:48:09,600 song what skeptical song and basically I 1170 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:11,160 wasn't we went out to preventing we just 1171 00:48:14,450 --> 00:48:12,570 had to prove that there was a really 1172 00:48:16,490 --> 00:48:14,460 eclectic taste in music and if you can't 1173 00:48:19,010 --> 00:48:16,500 find a song they're you like I reckon 1174 00:48:23,180 --> 00:48:19,020 you yeah you're not really trying yeah 1175 00:48:25,940 --> 00:48:23,190 yeah that was really fun I listened to 1176 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:25,950 those podcasts when I was catching a bus 1177 00:48:30,770 --> 00:48:28,890 I think out to Olympic Stadium and I was 1178 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:30,780 dancing on the bus that's what you're 1179 00:48:34,430 --> 00:48:32,370 supposed to do right man yeah oh that's 1180 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:34,440 that's what I did high school and main 1181 00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:36,450 are just a note especially that for 1182 00:48:41,330 --> 00:48:38,880 those listeners in Australia why while 1183 00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:41,340 we were recording in fact the very first 1184 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:44,720 dirty disbelievers ponting Gotti century 1185 00:48:51,860 --> 00:48:47,490 hey is that some sort of religious thing 1186 00:48:53,420 --> 00:48:51,870 or something yes and now you do know 1187 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:53,430 that that's why I like about the 1188 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:55,170 disbelievers because the cricket fans 1189 00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:56,610 will be listening to the crickets so we 1190 00:49:00,770 --> 00:48:58,170 will have non-sporting people listening 1191 00:49:02,510 --> 00:49:00,780 to our show I love that I love that yeah 1192 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:02,520 it's a cricket story of all those people 1193 00:49:07,700 --> 00:49:05,370 outside Australia so it's a six to 630 1194 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:07,710 p.m. saturday and sunday for the rest of 1195 00:49:11,780 --> 00:49:09,210 January the Duke disbelievers on a 1196 00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:11,790 digital radio online just go to your 1197 00:49:15,410 --> 00:49:13,920 local radio ABC website that we you be 1198 00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:15,420 able to click on the link or it'll be up 1199 00:49:19,070 --> 00:49:16,800 on our Facebook page audio on demand 1200 00:49:21,170 --> 00:49:19,080 when the show has finished and and send 1201 00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:21,180 stuff in just send us wacky questions 1202 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:23,130 weird stuff all sorts of things you know 1203 00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:24,810 we're all up front and Jamie loves being 1204 00:49:28,490 --> 00:49:26,400 challenged as well so just send stuff in 1205 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:28,500 thank you may not I'd like to thank you 1206 00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:30,330 and I'd like to thank dr. AG for joining 1207 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:33,920 me in this impromptu you think tank / 1208 00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:37,650 Maynard's spooky action I'm just some 1209 00:50:01,120 --> 00:49:59,589 the dirty disbelievers evil oh what a 1210 00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:01,130 lot I can hear them I can eat them all 1211 00:50:06,130 --> 00:50:03,260 what's going on give me more mr. 1212 00:50:09,099 --> 00:50:06,140 announcer guy on ABC local radio digital 1213 00:50:12,220 --> 00:50:09,109 radio and online weekends at six o'clock 1214 00:50:17,019 --> 00:50:12,230 of the dirty disbelievers the evil 1215 00:50:19,390 --> 00:50:17,029 disbelievers even I would like to know 1216 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:19,400 take the red pill and the blue gill I 1217 00:50:37,890 --> 00:50:21,130 say I can hear them I can hear them or 1218 00:50:43,150 --> 00:50:40,750 Richard II Stephanie you know the world 1219 00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:43,160 didn't end why that show was on well no 1220 00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:44,720 but yeah we're just starting the year 1221 00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:46,730 we've got a whole 12 months to see what 1222 00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,240 happens that's so it's it's it's the 1223 00:50:56,380 --> 00:50:52,640 21st i think is the date which is being 1224 00:50:58,510 --> 00:50:56,390 floated right 21st of what december had 1225 00:51:00,400 --> 00:50:58,520 two simple really good 12 months all 1226 00:51:02,170 --> 00:51:00,410 right okay that gives him plenty of time 1227 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:02,180 to come up with excuses why i didn't 1228 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:03,770 happen as well as first are we gonna 1229 00:51:08,890 --> 00:51:06,410 hear that yeah we always do it has a 30 1230 00:51:12,010 --> 00:51:08,900 he'll be rude just to happen and just a 1231 00:51:13,140 --> 00:51:12,020 sneak peek next week on the skeptics and 1232 00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:13,150 we're actually going to be talking to 1233 00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:16,640 dr. Phil Plait the bad astronomer about 1234 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:18,110 this very subject the end of the world 1235 00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:21,290 oh yes indeed that's why we tune into 1236 00:51:27,010 --> 00:51:24,310 the skeptic so we do and wasn't penny 1237 00:51:29,350 --> 00:51:27,020 excellent I loved it a penny for your 1238 00:51:31,210 --> 00:51:29,360 thoughts Thank You penny Chen can't wait 1239 00:51:33,220 --> 00:51:31,220 for your next report can't wait for it 1240 00:51:35,890 --> 00:51:33,230 and i must say that theme song sent off 1241 00:51:37,390 --> 00:51:35,900 the theme song well I found that I was 1242 00:51:39,550 --> 00:51:37,400 walking down the street and there's like 1243 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:39,560 these mp3 players just kicking around 1244 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:41,090 the picked up one and there was the fear 1245 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:43,010 is that you wouldn't believe it it feel 1246 00:51:48,820 --> 00:51:46,130 so la yeah it's a real la lo do it's 1247 00:51:51,970 --> 00:51:48,830 gonna be cool yeah well actually before 1248 00:51:54,340 --> 00:51:51,980 we go I hot book in young I have a hot 1249 00:51:56,110 --> 00:51:54,350 book about it now look I have not yet 1250 00:52:00,070 --> 00:51:56,120 because I only do this every day then I 1251 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:00,080 was handed a book to review like yonks 1252 00:52:04,750 --> 00:52:02,330 ago so my deepest apologies to Andrew 1253 00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:04,760 Carruth he's written a book called the 1254 00:52:09,310 --> 00:52:07,760 Christ conundrum the skeptics guide to 1255 00:52:12,190 --> 00:52:09,320 Jesus and he autographed it I was 1256 00:52:13,780 --> 00:52:12,200 noticing oh he certainly did yeah yes 1257 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:13,790 I'm gonna have him killed it'll be worth 1258 00:52:17,860 --> 00:52:16,010 a fortune no but it's a it's a it's 1259 00:52:19,390 --> 00:52:17,870 actually a fantastic book I think you 1260 00:52:20,890 --> 00:52:19,400 should google at the Christ conundrum 1261 00:52:22,570 --> 00:52:20,900 I'm about halfway through so i'm not 1262 00:52:24,580 --> 00:52:22,580 going to review it right now but it's 1263 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:24,590 it's a really even though it's got a 1264 00:52:28,810 --> 00:52:26,330 skeptical bent to it it's actually quite 1265 00:52:32,290 --> 00:52:28,820 um it's actually quite an unbiased look 1266 00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:32,300 at the life and times of jesus and i was 1267 00:52:36,130 --> 00:52:34,370 going on then and how the Bible got to 1268 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:36,140 be created and why there's different 1269 00:52:40,660 --> 00:52:38,090 versions of things and how things got 1270 00:52:42,940 --> 00:52:40,670 mistranslated and how all the books came 1271 00:52:44,110 --> 00:52:42,950 together and got left out and all that 1272 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:44,120 how about that 1273 00:52:47,470 --> 00:52:45,890 worth a Google Earth and look it's worth 1274 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:47,480 a Google what's the look Andrew Carruth 1275 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:49,490 thank you for the copy and the autograph 1276 00:52:53,470 --> 00:52:52,130 you're safe don't worry I'll give you a 1277 00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:53,480 couple you're gonna die the end of the 1278 00:52:58,030 --> 00:52:56,090 year anyway 2012 it's not looking good 1279 00:53:00,520 --> 00:52:58,040 for any of us now and you would say that 1280 00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:00,530 was a good book it's it's a very very 1281 00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:03,050 good book and speaking of good books you 1282 00:53:06,190 --> 00:53:04,610 were telling me about another but i'm 1283 00:53:08,020 --> 00:53:06,200 not going to review two books in a row 1284 00:53:10,810 --> 00:53:08,030 yeah look at mention one yes i will 1285 00:53:13,780 --> 00:53:10,820 mention AC Grayling's the good book a 1286 00:53:16,090 --> 00:53:13,790 secular bible it is a fantastic read i'm 1287 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:16,100 about halfway through it it's it's the 1288 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:18,410 best of human thought condensed into a 1289 00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:22,850 biblical form yeah so use the same this 1290 00:53:26,380 --> 00:53:24,800 is the same format as the Bible with 1291 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:26,390 chapters and verses in here but it's got 1292 00:53:32,890 --> 00:53:29,330 nothing to do with religion it's just 1293 00:53:35,410 --> 00:53:32,900 humanity's best thinking so that people 1294 00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:35,420 to go well I think I think we've had our 1295 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:37,130 time here Richard I know I don't get he 1296 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:38,930 very often so you know these intros and 1297 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:40,850 outros are slightly extended and 1298 00:53:44,500 --> 00:53:42,490 sometimes when I don't turn up that much 1299 00:53:46,060 --> 00:53:44,510 we'll see you next time I think that's a 1300 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:46,070 good thing those Devon I think that's a 1301 00:53:50,650 --> 00:53:48,770 good thing but we'll see you soon before 1302 00:53:53,650 --> 00:53:50,660 the end of the world will see you on a 1303 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:53,660 future episode he well outside mm 1304 00:53:56,350 --> 00:53:55,130 episode it could even be something 1305 00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:56,360 special coming up in the next couple of 1306 00:54:05,350 --> 00:53:57,890 weeks so we'll see what happens they 1307 00:54:08,740 --> 00:54:05,360 keep your eyes out no la bye-bye you've 1308 00:54:13,300 --> 00:54:08,750 been listening to the skeptic zone visit 1309 00:54:15,820 --> 00:54:13,310 our website at www skeptics on TV the